This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. 20 .140 .298 This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. Great conversation. Jim P. you have some great choices there. This butt can be a foot shorter than the tip and of straight taper. Cross Rods. if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. Sorry! $239.00 + $24.95 shipping (2) Vintage HEDDON PAL Casting Rods - #6277 Wormer 5'6"+ #6273 Musky Special 5' . On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. 15 .258 .144 (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. 0.111 In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? (Reed Guice). They were severely inhibited by several difficulties. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post I have fit the ferrules but not glued them up yet. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. (Dennis Higham). At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. I have one of his 7625's, and it's a great rod, being a 7613 replica. (Lew) Parks. I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. I'm probably going to have to find a use for one as it happens as a design for a 7'6'' #4 that is nearing ringing looks a bit beefy for a #4. Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. (Gary Nicholson), So out of great curiosity then - how would you describe to me (someone who doesn't have a clue) how the action would feel or perform with regard to a "Straight Taper Rod" comparatively speaking. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. 0.350 0.369 Powered by Shopify. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. Parabolic is a marketing term and thus entirely meaningless in discussions on rod design. 50% due upon order placement; balance due upon completion. I think it is a fantastic taper. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. The trouble is, that's all it does! (Chris Obuchowski). I have had my rod alongside an original and except for mine being new they were identical. The idea is that the butt must not bend, and when it does its only at the very end, if it bends further down then the height of the line above the ground is dramatically reduced and thus fully one half of the "High speed high line" proposition is not met. 35 .186 .326 No Question about it, John Pickard. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post (Tim Pembroke), I wasn't aware of that but now that I've been told it does make perfect sense. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. 5 0.088 112541 Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. Forgot to mention before, Rich Jezioro is taking a set of 11-12/64 ferrules to Grayling for the silent auction for me, so if anybody's interested you can see them there if you're attending. The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. You may think you are being rude about "Classic" production methods, but they're probably better than mine. 25 .156 .310 to use it on trout other than the Yough, Savage River reservoir and some lakes. by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post 6 wt 0.0752 Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. 0 .326 .180 The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! Hi Guys, Also, some of those Heddons would have had pins through the tab area causing, in my view, problems. The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. 5 .092 .242 Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. 0.248 All of the tapers that I am finding appear to be using a Super Z. I am not wanting to start the Super Z vs. 20 0.126 For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. Or, if these are not good tapers for this, any suggestions as to which tapers would be? Nowadays, some guys machine ferrules out of bar stock, and they have a reasonable way to make the openings different sizes on the top and bottom. 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. I don't particularly like the idea of an "exact" clone, it takes away from the makers personal touch IMHO and never will be the real deal. (Robin Haywood). He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. Line Size Tip Size Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. Step Down debate again. At The Airport. Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. It is, literally, the shape of the rod itself and determines how . To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. 0.206 (Mark Wendt). Yes. (Tom Peters), 0.066 35 .188 .332 Dickerson 8015 Guide Model Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #6/7, Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/3 #6, Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5/6, Dickerson 761510 RB (Ray Bergman) Fly Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 901812-C Bamboo Rod 9' 3/2 #7, Lyle Dickerson Model 6611 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 2/2 #3/4, Lyle Dickerson Model 7613 Hollow Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4/5, Lyle Dickerson Model 661510 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 3/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Guide Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801510 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 7612 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 761510 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/3, Lyle Dickerson Model 9015 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 7012 Bamboo Rod 7' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801610 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8615 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 961913 Bamboo Rod 9'6" 3/2 #7. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. Summers & Co. - Womens Sports ApparelBob with Granddaughter Cara FlyfishingGreat Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly FishingOutdoor Writer and Used Book SalesFishing and Wing Shooting Guide ServiceGreat Lakes Charter FishingSporting JewlerCustom GunsmithingFine Hand EngravingFine Reel & Rod Cases, 90 River Road, EastTraverse City, Michigan 49696 USAPhone/Fax (231) 946-7923bobsummers@charter.net, 2222 - 7. Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. The Garrison tip would be .078, B-9 tip would be .059, and a fast .018/5" drop a tip of .035. As for the ferrule size, I use a 14/64 ferrule. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. First, no one casts the same. Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. 1 2 3 . 80 0.3 I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. 0.278 Bob through extensive research determined the tip dimensions for specific line weights and then calculated SLT for each. Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. 5 wt 0.0720 Gillum Rods. I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. Leonard patent, I believe. Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". (Will Price). I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. Used but very good serviceable condition. 0.266 This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. 0.206 Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. I can always build another and I'm sure I will. (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? But if you change any of these inputs, the taper, length or weight of line cast, the stress curve will no longer be flat. I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. Strong tip; butt has flex area from 45" to 80" then a butt swell at 80". 75 0.2855 (Weren't they made in a garage?) So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. 55 0.217 145405 Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. I would love to have the opportunity to cast my perfectionist (or any one of the several I've made for people) against any 7 1/2-foot 5-weight of his choice and compare line speed, distance, accuracy, or any other criterion he would like. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. If you were to design rods using a visual representation of it's deflection then deviation from a straight line doesn't matter. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. .278@25 If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. Powell Rods. This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. 0 0.072 - (Chris Obuchowski). Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. Jim Schaaf. The stepdown in the female is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule goes over the bamboo to 12/64 ID where it accepts the male slide. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. Pt Butt Tip If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". Overhanging trees? His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. 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