Top track level [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. Where do you get 10TPH from? The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. I thought that was my craziest but. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). is still only two flights up. and has a much less dominating effect. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. It will be express. As part of the NYS Public Service Commission report in 1912 on new lines the Commission recommended a 4 track 14th St Subway with branches through Williamsburg. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. Same dilemma as if underground. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. Parkchester on the 6. Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. In order to avoid trains passing at grade you need to segregate the local and express trains. This would boost capacity and turn around time on the entire 7th Ave express line. Fake it. The door had some panels missing, and whenever open, a look into the door revealed the unfinished upper level station. Precinct: (718) 735-0611 Community Affairs: (718) 735-0634 Crime Prevention: (718) 735-0658 - Jason Marsman - E-mail: jason.marsman@nypd.org - Kelvin Vidal - E-mail: kelvin.vidal@nypd.org Domestic Violence Officer: (718) 735-0600 - E-mail Youth Coordination Officer: (718) 735-0657 . Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. And that nine has the corresponding capacity of 12 A Division runs. Viaducts where possible. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. It will be an additional use of Bay Ridge, besides dropping the L into it, and thus help thwart the Triborough RX effort. Trains descending the ramp can access either the local or express track.[22]. 1135 Eastern Parkway. The MTA would then lease the land as a way to bring in continued revenue and the new development would help pay for the construction. Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. Freeway-style concrete pillars. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. Extending Utica north of Eastern Parkway should only ever be done if trains in Williamsburg are beyond capacity and a new East River crossing is needed. Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. The gritty, graffiti-ridden New York City subway system is quite a character in Joker. SAS-Grand Central future awkward? 57 is also proposed at Utica avenue from Eastern parkway to Flatbush avenue. Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. On the New Lots Avenue-bound platform, the track walls have a section of yellow-orange tiles beneath the trim-line and another line of yellow tiles on the bottom of the tiled portions. But the plan wound up being abandoned after the IND subway was built along Central Park West. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. The current (M) does just fine providing a one-seat ride to Midtown, and riders on the (J) can just transfer. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. It was the result of a partnership between the Hopi tribe and a group of Route 66 aficionados who are dedicated to preserving the heritage of this iconic road. Run it through there to the Culver line where it can be the additional service that justifies reopening the express level. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. Knowing the reality of MTA construction I would argue that the second plan is the preferable option. Pseudo-viaducts. The A/C line in Brooklyn cant be tampered with, because both trains are crowded during rush hours, and the A or C cant be diverted before Broadway Junction, because then at the nearest express station, your going to see a huge crowd, and the point of Broadway Junction is to drop off the passangers to other trains to get home or to get to work. But the question is what is more dire, commuters coming from Wall St (with their many different subway options) or those coming from Williamsburg (with the congested L)? However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. Planning may have actually begun. Double-deck single tracks. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. An elevated extension known as Route No. In California money itd be about 2. And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. Hey, that was me. Few problems. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. I often speak with other fantasy transit designers about Utica and the IND plan seems to be the favorite and for good reason. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. B: I wouldnt worry much about curves coming into terminals. mind=the same Well then what are we waiting for? First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. tph, equal to 16 A Div. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. So heres my workup for a design toolkit of el popularizing methods: 1. And why tear down the whole Broadway EL? much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. Its got limitations now, sure. el structures around Broadway Junction. But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. The Queens Blvd Line was extended to Union Turnpike on December 30th, 1936, and to 169th St. - Jamaica on April 24th, 1937. . Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. The Utica Avenue subway station in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Touring: F train to East Broadway. And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. There are no flaws in this plan. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. Lets get it built! But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. N,R all times except late nights, W weekdays only, 5 all times except late nights,6. I agree using Worth has disadvantages. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. That ramp was installed as part of the original BMT plans around 1917. The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. And theres no room there for it. Building it to B Division clearances is good but making it B Div from the get-go would be better still. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. Doesnt matter. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. Eastern Py Utica Av. but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Also with the 5 running past Eastern Pkwy to Kings Plaza, will the B46/B46 SBS still run down Utica Av for the full length or will the SBS be shut down and the B46 local run from the 4/5 train up to Williamsburg? With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. That leaves the Broadway portion In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. 31, is a three-track elevated line. Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. I know this is something that the City wont consider if they ever release their Utica Ave plan which is why I want to start the discussion now. Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. 5. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. The same happens if the A leaves. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. At Nostrand Avenue and Fulton St, provisions were made for a connection to the proposed Bedford Ave line. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. What companies run services between Newark Penn Station, NJ, USA and Utica Avenue Station, NY, USA? Anyone? Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. But thats how I see it. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). 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But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. The point of Utica Ave is that riders are trying to get downtown so who would ever ride the 4 all the way out just to switch to the A when they could have just gotten on the A at the first place. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). The station spacing was done to keep costs down. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. Make no little plans, Daniel Burnham is purported to have said, they have no magic to stir mens blood. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. I like the basic idea. Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. There was a gas station, a gift shop, and Valentine's diner in the post. It stands to reason, then, that the massive South 4th Subway with branches to Utica Ave and along Myrtle Ave was designed to replace the Broadway and Myrtle Ave Els as well. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Im not sure why you are even proposing this. They must be pillar free for security. Theyll meet up down the road. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. Before the renovation of this station in 1995, it was possible to see the unfinished station from the mezzanine. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. 7. Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. The ascending tunnel grade would be about 1.4% and the descending 3.3%, both reasonable. challenge. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. Not a Hitch in the Service. This final station is worth considering because even though half the catchment area is parkland and the Mill Basin canal the station would serve the popular Kings Plaza Mall and there is space for a modern bus terminal for better service around southeastern Brooklyn and to the Rockaways. The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? When would you see it converted to that? And on what route? In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. Now we dont want that, do we? The station's two exits are located at either end. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. The 9 residences, all located at Avenue M can all be replaced (and with new development replaced 100 times over) while the commercial and industrial buildings would all be replaced by buildings of much higher density and better uses than chop shops. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. The first is that much of the line, as proposed by both IRT and IND engineers, was to be an elevated line. Like on the Jamaica el. Portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand 6ix9ines music video for the song `` Kooda '' will up. 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