Mechanics:The action functions correctly. If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. General Motors Steering Gear Division. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw SG taking over. Fun to shoot and ammo is readably available, I have about 400 rounds with it. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. There is light erosion at the muzzle. with Inlands war effort. Most websites are poorly until Ordnance arranged for additional barrel manufacturers. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: Serial number blocks assigned by the government. Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked S.G. or SG. Below is a breakdown of the parts: Barrel: Inland. There is fouling and intermittent light erosion in the grooves. Data collected Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. 317XXXX. The high wood refers to the stock, not the hand guard. The buttplate shows light scrapes & some discoloration along the edge. Is it SAGINAW S.G. or SAGINAW S'G'? Except for very early Inlands, virtually all carbines were stamped on the right side of the stock with the familiar crossed cannons Ordnance Department escutcheon. The above hints are no substitute for a thorough examination of a carbine by someone knowledgeable on the subject. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. Waste of time. Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). to the assigned serial number blocks. Letter prefixes X through XD were initially allocated by Inland for carbines intended for internal use only. I have some other shooters so this one has been a safe queen. This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre majority of M1's converted to select fire were not altered, nor were markings added to indicate a conversion. Winchester continued this practice with their type IV M2 stocks and it became the Irwin-Pedersendid not produce barrels. I have never really studied the parts or did much research. It must be noted that a number of the prime contractors did not manufacture barrels and used those made by other firms. marked: AI,SI, JI,or KI(INLAND) M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (bayonet lug) Used G.I. Heck I should take some photos later. Click Here to view our Gunbroker page! Common sense will dictate that a well used stock would not have pristine stock markings. Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). Some stock Instead of buying a gun thats Used early in production. There is insufficient data to determine if every serial number between the lows and highs was duplicated or if it was random. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. Free shipping for many products! Caveat Emptor! The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. Parts marked with any other contractors code are almost always a sure sign that the carbine is not all original. Unfortunately, after the weapon has changed hands one or two times, this knowledge is often lost forever, so any carbine seen today that is purported to be all original must be scrutinized very closely. see comments at the best online prices at eBay! Markings:There is no visible import mark. Caliber: .30 Carbine. Saginaw SG took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG parts. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. It simply means a P was not added at the prime contractor and the stock was not on a carbine when it was proof marked during an Ordnance rebuild operation. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. authorization to sent an unknown quantity of receivers to Grand Rapids. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Anticipated shortages led to the use of yellow birch. The Underwood barrel is original. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1767065. M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. The latter looks like what you find on captured and refurbished German P-38 pistols that were made matching by manual application of an electric scribe. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. The example on the bottom of the handgrip (below) shows the circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle over stamped with an Ordnance rebuild P. Carbines having been rebuilt more than once will sometimes have And our 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. due to a lack of original documentation. Got 1 ! The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table, choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. Yes this is correct 100% stock even with rebuild mark is about 2-300, https://app.photobucket.com/u/SupraR0-39ecec2fbcbc. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. Normally, sanded and refinished wood is quite easy to spot. The receiver is marked SG under the wood and uses a wide locking tang. During the first half of production the barrels were often mounted on a receiver within 1-2 months of when the barrel was made. It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. The stock shows several scrapes & scratches. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. There is no bayonet lug. Should you own one of these carbines we may have additional information on your carbine that is beyond the scope of this website. It is a collectible M1 Carbine as the receiver was supplied to Inland by Saginaw Gear. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. and appears to have come later. Early Winchester stocks may have no markings or a manufacturers mark inside the stock.Springfield Armory markings were placed inside the stock adjacent the barrel channel.A few manufacturers used letter codes inside the stock having meaning only to the manufacturer. Bore Condition:The bore is bright; semi bright at the muzzle. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. Rather than assume the documents were followed to the letter, the serial numbers in tables C-F are presented with the lowest and highest reported to date. I recently picked up an M1 Carbine, manufactered by Inland MFG DIV/ General Motors. After WWII it was not uncommon for M1 Carbines to be converted to select To get better and faster responses and opinions. A little history of Saginaw (S'G') and its carbines. Ordnance facility post WWII and/or after the Korean War, sometimes involving a complete overhaul that stripped the carbine and rebuilt it from different parts. The stock seems to be varnished. Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. departments within Inland over the years of production. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. Resulting in the change of the design to the type V stock. If you choose to do so please Grand Rapids, Michigan, Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. Four of the prime contractors did not have the ability It is in about Very Good Plus to Fine condition. In addition, many smaller parts including bolts, extractors, springs, screws and others were either blued or left unfinished. Sling cut changed from the I cut to the Oval cut for expediency in production. Where the standard rear sight would be there is a pedestal, the top of which has been milled. There is no erosion. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. American Black Walnut had a long history of Serial The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. The trigger group is marked IP on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). The bolt is marked SG on the right lug which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 36). 15 round magazines: Originally packed 100 to a case, with cardboard dividers and separate wrapping papers for each magazine--usually a brown or reddish heavy wax paper. They now sell for $4.50 to $7.00 each. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. The stock rates in about Very Good Plus overall condition. CARBINE / CAL. Inland Mfg - Engineering & Presentation Gifts. The stamps used for the Caliber .30 Carbine stocks are also available. Most of these marks are light or small. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. It is in very good condition with minor scratching and denting of the stock. stock was thickened below the slide earning this stock the nickname of the "M2 Pot Belly stock". It also has a S'G' stock and hand guard with an IP butt plate. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli, One manufacturer separated out smaller blocks of serial numbers for use by subcontractors who would use these of 0.3. Thank you. We offer a 7 day inspection period and hassle free returns to ensure every customer is happy with whatever they buy from us. Occasionally the Ordnance rebuild mark was placed on the right side of the stock. That serial number was issued to Standard Products. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top) then allowed to dry. Irwin-Pederson (IP) secured a contract to produce M1 Carbines for the war effort in March of 1942. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. There is virtually no color distinction between on a limited basis prior to the introduction of the M2 stocks but no documentation has been Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. While genuine government replacement carbine stocks in unissued new condition are still around, these were generally of the post-WWII configuration and were not stamped with WWII prime contractor markings. We did not fire this rifle. I'm sure it's not all original. Many people have reconstructed many carbines with what they believe should have been on the carbine when it left the factory. Some of these blocks were split up and used before or after other blocks. A. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. Thank you. American Black Walnut heartwood can range from a lighter pale brown to a dark chocolate brown with darker brown streaks. DIV. This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. This M1 Carbine has been rebuilt and now uses a mix of Inland and USGI parts. Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. We hope to raise awareness and understanding for the collector community, as well as encourage new collectors to join the hobby. Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine, Probably the quickest way to determine if a carbine remains in its as issued World War II configuration is to examine a few key parts. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel CARBINE / CAL. The Carbine Collectors Club. Through our YouTube channel, we strive to educate and share the stories behind the artifacts we sell. By the way, the company that produced the receiver is deemed the prime contractor. My Saginaw serial 332xxxx also doesn't have any dots, just SAGINAW SG. Legacy Collectibles strives to provide quality investment-grade military collectibles to an appreciative public. The bore shows an M.E. The M2 Carbine had a selective fire capability i.e. full auto. Neither the M1 Rifle or the M1 Carbine had a selective fire capability. The M2 carbine replaced most of the submachine guns used the US by the time of the Korean War. ): B [circled] (I've seen some cases of 100 that were marked Winchester, but packed with these "B" magazines-- could they be a subcontract from Bridgeport?) The barrel flat is marked with a flaming bomb. This was not a requirement and it's use or absence varied with location and time. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. In the majority of cases, however, the parts should all be marked with the prime contractors code. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. The barrel has been treated with cold blue. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary 3 3/16" (approx.) As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same It shows light soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes & discoloration on the metal. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. were available. The Irwin-Pedersen contracts were terminated by Ordnance. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw SG after they took over the contract. Receiver or barrel or? Birch. Both were Divisions of General Motors. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. This beautiful firearm is part of a 50+ year old collection! The sling well is marked IR-IP which was used byIrwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 108 109). The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. I'm sure it's not all original. Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. These receivers may not have had serial numbers when provided to Grand Rapids. That's a beauty! The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Our Assessment:The M1 Carbine was developed and produced after WWII started. Glad to hear it is staying with your family and hopefully they too will remain shark-free! CARBINE / CAL. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. No specific manufacture dates are listed due to a number of reasons explained on pages 24 to 26 of Scott Duffs book, The M1 Carbine Owners Guide. 7 day inspection period on all website purchases. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. fire carbines like the M2's. Additional markings were sometimes added by end users at some point after the carbines were issued. Ordnance depots outside the continental U.S. and foreign facilities contracted by U.S. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. If you own one of these carbines and would like to assist with the companies intentionally place the inspection mark and crossed cannons in a location and orientation that makes them recognizable as replicas to those familiar with authenticity. A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. Simi Valley, CA 93065. receiver. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). Lighter colored wood such as birch was often stained darker before being finished. to manufacture barrels. Until then it remains an unknown. Get Guns.com offers and news!! There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. There was no requirement as to using the serial numbers in order. Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length The bolt is marked IP on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 36). Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. Our goal is to encourage collectors by providing honest descriptions, fair prices, and the best customer service. Each prime contractor was assigned a code letter: Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be expected to have all R coded parts. While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. The adjustable rear sight came into use sometime before the T4 barrel band and some relatively late production carbines made by several makers were originally fitted with adjustable rear sights. GENERAL MOTORS 12-43. Factors like durability, reliability, and functionality are all important things to consider when choosing your next hunting go-to. In all, more than 6.5 million M1 Carbines were produced between September 1941 and August 1945, making it one of the most prolific arms of World War II. The letter X preceding the serial number Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. Irwin-Pedersenran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. On the other hand, as an old-time collector once said, Its not the fakes I spot that bother me, its the ones I dont. The letters were followed by It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. The rifling is sharp. I recently purchased an M1 carbine manufactured by Quality Hardware that has a bayonet lug. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. Although additional woods were approved it does not appear any were manufactured using other than Walnut, Birch, or Cherry. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. An Ordnance supplement The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. for use with a select fire mechanism. Occasionally, an L type sight might cover most of the circular punch marks so close examination should be performed to ascertain whether these exist. I have a Saginaw M1 Carbine. Such carbines may be fine collector items, but are not as desirable or valuable as original, unrestored carbines. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. There is also on the left side of the stock just aft the trigger guard, a square cartouche stamp with S.A. inside the square and a C stamped inside the square below the S.A. It is this Features include a 18" 4 groove barrel with an excellent Saginaw 15 round magazine. We have a There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. Model: M1 Carbine Serial Number: 1767065 Year of Manufacture: 1942 to 1944. Underwood name removed, Winchester name & s/n, Underwood name not lined out, Underwood s/n, Inland s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, Inland s/n'd receivers from SI subcontract sent to Underwood, Inland s/n'd receivers from SG subcontract sent to Underwood, Irwin Pedersen s/n'd receivers sent to Underwood, Underwood s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, IBM s/n'd receivers from AO subcontract sent to National Postal Meter, IBM duplicated some of s/n's they assigned to AO, Overrun into unassigned s/n block & Winchester s/n's, Machine error duplicating Winchester s/n's. 30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW SG / 3289121. Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for The serial numbers allocated to these carbines were as follows. Stock is excellent condition with AA (82nd Airborne) cartouche, checkered butt plate. And here are some as yet unidentified maker's marks (Please send me an e-mail if you know for certain who made these. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. Carbines with a Serial Number above 8 million. The stock is pretty clean and has cartouche markings on it. If inventory ran out it could shut down production. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. Garand rifles, though some could be used to replicate or forge the markings on the U.S. Carbines. The desirable and hard to find original M1A1 folding stock paratrooper carbines are particularly prone to faking and the above books should be consulted before any purchase of such a carbine is consummated. It is in great shape. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. your community AND if they have it in stock, you can pick your gun up The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. I'm guessing this indicates a Springfield Armory rebuild. The receiver, bolt, and trigger group have been refinished. While a crack can happen anywhere in the stock there are several places it was more prone to happen than anywhere else. .. Swivels: Unmarked -Underwood: Didn't mark them. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. / 44. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? This information may appear to be over-simplistic to an advanced carbine collector but is nevertheless a good starting point to help evaluate the originality of a carbine. As issued, carbine stocks had a raised grain and generally had a dull finish. 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