89%. If you want your children to learn youre going to have to work hard. Learning together with families like yours, youre equipped with the tools and support to teach a Christ-centered worldview thats rooted in the classical model. Two years ago, CC raised the registration fee for F/E from $85 to $145, all of which goes to CC Inc. The Roys Report also obtained data regarding annual program-related income and expenses from seven directors for their years with CCfrom 2012 to 2018. of graduates plan to attend college. The education company also assumes what sounds like pastoral authority when conveying its policies to contractors. Classical Conversations licenses a product to its customers. Yet Brown said he felt disappointed and misled by the CC corporation. After corporate peddled ADF membership to churches to help which was completely ineffective because ADF clearly states on their website they dont help with property tax issues they belatedly posted the page you reference. I am doing my best to let the churches in my area know, because hosting a for-profit business could have tax consequences for any non-profit church.. (The percentage CC received varied due to discounts given families with multiple children enrolled.). Or you may just view them as having more opportunities to earn some hard cash. Our home education program covers K-4 to college credit and includes college degree opportunities for parents, as well. When Elane Photography in Albuquerque refuses to photograph a gay dedication ceremony, thereby exercising their religion, they should be forced to photograph these events in the future or face jail time. Olivia, Much of your comment does not reflect what is in the reporting in the article above (for instance, the value of the company is not addressed here.) I hope that they have amended their ways.. from spreading misinformation to others, including without limitation churches and individuals that have partnered with (CC).. The majority of CC campuses meet at churches. This comment I think purely demonstrates the point I made on my comment which is just a few places higher on this list. In response, CCs hired law firm has sent cease-and-desist letters. of graduates reported that their teenage faith in Christ was strengthened by attending Classical Conversations. . Both organizations declined to comment, though CCs statement (almost identical to one provided months ago) is included in the story. I am the happy director of a Challenge A group and have another child in Foundations and Essentials. What will stop us from discarding the standard that remains, in order to live by our own wisdom? Brown said Bortins responded by promptly paying the entire $85,000 tax assessment. Its a commercial activity to deal in the rental business, she said. There is also the whole reality of the question of how the org runs apparently there are chapters that are non-profits and those that are not and apparently to mitigate liabilities, chapters *can* and have been at times converted to non-profit chapters to avoid the tax risk why is that not a viable solution? Our biblical foundation has already been discarded, and the sooner we recognize that our Constitution is now in the crosshairs, the more ready we will be for this next battle. Bortins claimed his webinar statement as factual because the churches were not financially responsible for that amount, he said. Do you begin to feel uneasiness at that kind of money being generated in our churches? This writing is my opinion, but I hope some may find it helpful to ponder along with me. If a child in California or New Jersey struggles with gender confusion issues, the government now says it is illegal for a professional counselor to attempt to restore peace in that childs soul. What he really meant was that we should not execute criminals. That was a fervent prayer. My oldest did well in Essentials her first year. She says the only way to find it was to download an 81-page PDF document and then click on a link embedded on page 54. Veale added that statewide ARs receive a smaller cut of registration fees in addition to revenue from twice-annual practicum events designed to grow the CC network and sell curriculum. What sets CC apart isnt the carefully crafted history sentences, the infectious list of pronouns the kids chant, or the way you can tweak it to be whatever you want at home. Yet, we tend to excuse it. TO quote another, if your profit is indeed that low it is because 1) the business model is set up to not allow you to actually be profitable or 2) you spend to much on expenses and didnt do so great at the business management. It is full of accusations from a very small sample size. They are an extension of my family and make a difference in my success as a homeschooler. I directed her Challenge A class. Above the director level, CC contracts support representatives (SRs) who each have about 10 CC directors they help. Our Christ-centered homeschool curriculum is rooted in the classical model and is in tune with the way children naturally learn. Great! Without it, they would make much much less. Please contact your local Director to Apply, Classical Conversations Plus (College Credit), Classical Conversations National Conference, http://libertycounsel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/LGBT_tips_for_managers.pdf, Homeschooling is a great way to fight the coronavirus, New World Echoes wins kids short story prize, CC parents can now earn a masters degree while homeschooling, Things Not to Do with Your Firstborn When Starting Foundations, Getting It All Done: Ten Tips from a Classical Conversations Veteran, Homeschool Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), Institute for Excellence in Writing (IEW), Dispute, Deny, Distort, Discard: The Constitution in the Crosshairs. CCs stated mission is to know God and make him known, a motto popularized by evangelical ministries The Navigators and Youth with a Mission. I find most people who write articles like this, are very skilled at being hyper-critical, but very poor at being gracious. Still it made me sad. We must continue teaching Gods principles to our students day and night, when we sit at home and when we walk along the road, when we lie down, and when we get up3. Estimates show that corporate makes almost 75% (actual is 73.7%) of what a director makes in an F/E program (and MORE if you are just looking at Essentials). . I have observed a pattern that is visible here in these comments too. During the early days of our country, the preponderance of America was Christian. For his part, Brown affirms how the education company made it right when his church faced a massive tax assessmenteven as he calls them to a higher standard. They license a program, and theyre really more of a multi-level marketing organization.. When the corporation wont listen to people who are among its own devoted licensees, things like this become the next best solution. God knows that when you eat from it you will be like God, knowing good and evil. And the final result? Over the years, dozens of former CC contractors have called out CCs alleged exploitative business practices, including on The Spiritual Sounding Board, Kristi Bothurs blog and JJ Veales blog. Though property tax exemptions vary and are determined by state and sometimes county laws, she said assessors generally frown on a for-profit business, like CC and its communities, benefiting from use of tax-exempt property. I was a teacher for 10 years at an elite private school and also in public school. Our own wisdom? On its website, CC defines ADFs role as (helping) churches navigate and understand the issues relating to use of church property by homeschooling communities and its real property tax exemption.. So the lack of support and promotion for this option from corporate tells me that its not really an option at all. Your comment was like a balm. 255 Air Tool Drive The county assessed the church approximately $15,000 in back taxes because the local CC community was using a portion of the church building for meetings. Another church in California received a similar tax bill in 2016. It goes much deeper than this, but grateful for the article! Every bit of it and more. When you hear the word rhetoric, what do you think of? One incident she will never forget from her four years with CC was the day she realized she owed $1,248 in back taxes related to her role as CC director. I am not asking anyone to change their mind. A word about tuition parents think it all stays in the community for Directors and tutors, but that is not true for Challenge, where $320 of it goes to CC Inc in licensing fees in addition to the registration fee. However, Palmer never signed a contract, and she still became a paid CC tutor for one year. And belonging to a community is a choice. She was bored with the content offered by the curriculum! Please do not tear down this bridge between homeschool and private with such shoddy assumptions based on things in our world only being worth something when money is attached. Plus, more than 2,000 former CC contractors have organized a private Facebook group to raise awareness of CC policies they allege are abusive and ethically dubious. I directed for several years and my wife tutored Foundations for several years; we withdrew from CC a year ago. If tuition increased to be a fair wage to Directors and tutors, and if Directors had to pay market value to rent a facility for their business activities, the price per student would place CC out of reach of most homeschool families. It was a great Bible-centered way to teach them about this concept and have it as a reference when we encountered false gods in history later. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. The real truth is that this mandate does not apply to the unborn. Thats what has churches worried, Topp said. Lord bless you, Mr Jesperson. After all, religious freedom, If a child in California or New Jersey struggles with gender confusion issues, the government now says it is illegal for a professional counselor to attempt to restore peace in that childs soul. The first three videos are designed to help you understand more about our classical model of education. Some legal responsibilities directors must assume include doing background checks, managing tutors, making payroll, securing daycare licensing, and entering into a lease agreement with a church (or other venue). So, our biblical foundations have been discarded. And an Army Chaplains Aid, as well as an Air Force Senior Master Sergeant can be threatened with discharge because they made the unconstitutional mistake of speaking their opinion on the gay marriage issue. That said, after the spring and summer preparation that comes as tutor or director, my experience with the program is 100% a rewarding albeit challenging experience. CC also buried the ebook on its website, according to Topp. What is left for us to fall back on now? And many local directors have gotten in way over their head. They have two children (Andrew 22, Jonathan 16) and have homeschooled these two from day one. Freelance journalist Josh Shepherd writes on faith, culture, and public policy for several media outlets. Or is it just CC Because I mean how biased would it be to just go after CC groups? The reason CC community businesses dont just convert to nonprofits is bc they cant stand the transparency/scrutiny (financial and ethical) that a true nonprofit board would bring. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. The idea that there is a Truth higher than our own, that man is, Do our founding documents really acknowledge a right to life, the free exercise of religion, the right to pursue happiness, the freedom of speech? In the interim, we have also succumbed to the attractive idea that man is the ultimate authority, autonomously knowing good and evil. 2. TOTAL DIRECTOR income on Foundation and Essentials Students is estimated to be: In each state, SRs report up to statewide or regional area representatives (ARs). The statement on their website above seems to be pretty indicative that a blanket statement about tax liability simply isnt appropriate, nor should it be. It isnt a coincidence that the government prevents 501(c)(3) registered churches from political speech. Yes the material is garbage, but I transferred to a director who knew how to run the campus at least even with the learning material being what it was. We regularly consult with our legal and tax advisors to ensure we are acting with integrity and in compliance. 5. Thats when Calvary Chapel received a $27,000 property tax bill related to a local CC chapter that used the church building for weekly homeschool meetings. Weve never had any facility have to pay any sort of taxes.. What motivates the article is an attempt to report the truth and raise awareness of these issues to all churches and Christian non-profits that desire to operate truly above reproach. I hope these replies are helpful. In response, Veale said the area representative stood by the companys stringent policies. Though various states and counties have some differing policies on tax assessment, both a CPA and nonprofit lawyer state in the story how there are broad guidelines that apply across the U.S. 3. Through multiple contacts in the CC network, Veale later learned Arizona support reps were the poorest paid in the country. Only then, the masters graduate was embarrassed to admit, did she sit down to carefully read and research CC contracts. According to her, many of those clients have been liable for unpaid state and federal income taxes. They express zero empathy for anyone other than themselves and their immediate friends and family. The Roys Report reached out to CCs corporate office for comment and CEO Robert Bortins Jr. granted a brief interview. 95%. we absolutely love CC. The SRs I trained were out there busting their tails, growing the CC network, doing everything they can to resource these homeschooling moms, she said in a phone interview. In 2013, Jamie Buckland of Beckley, West Virginia, became a CC director to homeschool her four children and to help other homeschool moms. Hola, cmo puedo ayudarlo? // I wish this article was about exposing draconian tax laws instead of criticizing CC. Im a pastor, and I would literally feel like such a fool to be Brown. Learn More Classical Christian Community You Have Questions. Finding a director in most places around me is like trapping a unicorn. All my opinions and my calculations are indeed based on limited data posted by CC on their site and are certainly subject to inaccuracy because of that limit, it remains food for thought. I just want to note for those who do not know the CC model. $60 Supply Fee (used to pay for supplies, but I have been informed it is income to the director). Nearly five years later, the potential risks are still not being fully disclosed to either CC local directors or CC partner churches according to all evidence. Except in a few states where the laws are different, CC relies on churches (and Directors, SRs, and ARs) being in the dark about how hosting a business could impact their property tax exemption so they will host CC for minimal fees. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Did God really say that homosexuality is a sin? Though property tax exemptions vary and are determined by state and sometimes county laws. So I am still left to wonder why anyone would mail letters to every church specifically hosting a CC across the country making a blanket statement that had absolutely no bearing because the author of these letters, as well as the information above these determinations can only be made on local county and state levelsnot by one person deciding it all for everyone And when they leave sometimes they are slandered and their children lose their friends. Friday, 20 September, 2013 in Big Ideas: Truth, Beauty, Goodness and more! This coming year will be their eleventh year in CC. Four days later, Palmer agreed via correspondence to stand down and not send further e-mails. The story reports (paragraph 35) that this is a viable solution for many local CC chapters, though an expert source also states this is not a solution in every case. Insiders such as CPA Topp, who have followed CC for years, worry that dozens, or even hundreds, of other churches may be at risk but dont realize it. I enjoy learning from those before me in their journey, encouraging those beside me, and sharing with those coming behind. And Jesus was very concerned about those being taken real advantage of by the religious powers of his day. Homeschooled parents and children are sometimes exploited. Developing curriculum and services which ensure Classical Conversations families are equipped to conquer any obstacle in their pursuit of Christ. When you homeschool with Classical Conversations, we connect you with a local community of like-minded families who not only learn together, but do life together. Some were tutors or directors of local programs; others served as CC area or state representatives. Dispute, deny, distort. I was no longer spending energy trying to find a curriculum and support group that would work. The question of exploitation has come up in a few groups Im in, and whether that really applies to CC when its often used to talk about migrant labor, for example, or human trafficking. Alas as you can probably tell! Thats entirely understandable and within their rights as US citizens. Some did, but the reality is the majority of Directors are already consumed to the Max with child rearing responsibilities and rarely peruse the corporate webpage looking forward information that should have been broadcast widely. To reply to a few specific comments: 1. But how many times throughout history has man done what was right in his own eyes? 2023 Classical Conversations. Ive been homeschooling for 24 years. So obviously, since its been at least 5 years since Washington started their stuff, the non profit may be a viable option but its not one thats being promoted or wed see MANY more communities available. This displays both a total lack of empathy but also for basic justice. What does this teach their kids in this present context? This is a textbook self-centered and self-righteous comment. That comment referred to the book of James where it asks the question can a faith that does not do what Jesus commands of us really save anyone? I think I will take the article to my third sons Challenge I class and have them find the fallacies and biases. AVERAGE DIRECTOR / TUTOR GROSS INCOME (19,000 tutors and directors): $3,533.82 Classical Conversations Plus (College Credit) CC College Students. This is incredibly biased, and full of a lack of information and is more a scare tactic than anything else. They did what was right in their own eyes. Unfortunately, many moms are duped, Topp said. I am thankful for the encouragement, the mentorship, the accountability, and the curriculum support. It relies on, and takes advantage of, workers and churches to be naive and unconcerned about what and how they are being compensated while making sure they get as much as they can get. Adam and Eve discarded God's words. I believe there are two? I dont regret doing it. I think I know you. Two years later, she published a full account of being strong-armed by CCs threatening letter. These whistleblowers reveal a multi-level marketing scheme that they say exploits homeschooling parentswho, seemingly by design, rarely benefit from their front-line work of overseeing the CC education model and recruiting other families to the network. You and your child benefit from the type of comprehensive, Christian education that creates a lifelong love of learning. I am asking you to independently think about it and study Gods word on this. Justin Clardy on Love and Relationships Section 6: Emotions and Art in Public Life 29. Her classmates lack of participation and behavioral issues were only a part of the struggle. The community we joined became like a family to us during the incredible difficult time of caring for our parents and during a life-threatening illness with one of my children. Christian-based education offered through homeschool communities constitutes worship and supports the religious purpose associated with the use of church property., For reference: Hence, we can legalize abortion, because right to life really means that biological parents have the right to responsibility-free life. We have lost our basis for Truth. As a former director who directed for 9 years, I can clearly state that this information was not shared prior to about a year ago, well after the Lettergate scandal (letters describing this property tax risk were anonymously sent to every church hosting a CC community). I have worked 2 years as a Foundations and Essentials director and now about to complete my 2nd year as a Challenge director. . If I told a local Churches on facebook, for instance, that they risk being held liable for property taxes when hosting CC, when in fact I didnt understand the reach of my communication or the fact that tax laws are different in County X and County Y though they happen to share a border in my local vicinitycounties (for instance) should I be held liable for misinformation that potentially harms CC because I dont know the tax laws for each county and dont know that in County Y its totally fine? Bishop Stewart Ruch III of the Anglican, Non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) have been increasingly used to muzzle people within evangelical churches and Christian organizations. Monday - Friday: 8:30 am - 5:00 pm. Ive always felt freedom to be able to move in and out of these roles, she said. Would the average church member be pleased to hear their building (which presumably they helped finance) was used as part of a whole to make a corporations tens of millions? I would think not. We would expect to see laws and court decisions that fly in the face of biblical principle. $12,428,500. Using 50,000 families, our average family size is 2.5 children per family (this is applicable to calculating our application fee). Former CC director. Much of what is stated lacks explanation needing context for accurate understanding. Dispute, deny, distort, discard. classical conversations homosexuality. As Proverbs 15:22 states, Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed. You've landed on the Classical Conversations member site that is dedicated to supporting our international members. CC is doing the same thing, but it's less likely to be spotted due to the fact that they portray themselves as a ministry, "just a group of homeschool moms," along with the fact that often educational institutes are non-profit, so we just assume that's the case. Hence, Gods principle that protects unborn children has been discarded. Critics say thats because the company fuses spiritual language into its business dealings with contractors, creating a culture of religious obligation. After a couple of years I put a stop to all that. Our children will be the ones on the front lines, standing for Truth, for biblical principle, and for constitutional adherence. I dont believe this is the environment that you would be okay with, she texted CCs statewide leader. Yet according to Carol Topp, a certified public accountant who specializes in serving homeschool families, hosting a CC program can jeopardize the tax exemption churches enjoy. Do we want to see CFA in a church? That confirms even more that this is a pyramid scheme, which as you know it is better to be at the very top or at the very bottom of it if you are caught up in one. The company hasnt disclosed that all the liability for this business model is placed on the directors, Buckland said. Again, all my opinions and my calculations are indeed based on very limited data posted by CC on their site and are certainly subject to inaccuracy because of that limit though I did my best to try and most accurately represent what I believe to be good assumptions and calculations. The battle they will face is not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual forces of evil5. Like most CC groups, it met weekly at a local church. Yet according to analysis by The Roys Report, local directors make next to nothing working for CC. In my opinion his ignorance is culpable and embarrassing. thought that maybe we were doing some things wrong and didnt really understand what the law (meant). 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