Success or failure, no matter. Retention of certain caste in the list. Learn.best wishesaru pon natarajan varanasi [i work in UP], Aru Pon Natarajan,You are being polite and considerate to KVG's. All of those who feared for their lives converted to Saivism (and not any other religious sect) adorning the sacred ash, 'throwing away their sacred threads', they assumed the identity of Saiva (nir-puci) vellalars or. I appeal to all the leaders of our community to don't become prey to the dirty politicians for the welfare of our community.VelumaniVilli Kula Kongu Lion. Terms of Use | There is heavy, hard & violent racism by dravidian racists../** My original grouse against KVG's is - though they are one of the advanced communities in terms of social standing, business, education and agriculture - why do they want to ride on the caste bandwagon - and their top two demands - repealing/amendment of PCR act and exclusive reservation of KVG'S is uncalled for .**/TO understand this, you need to first understand the reality of caste system, with open mind..for that you need to read Dharampal's book.. www.dharampal.netunless the above happens, what ever i say, you will never understand or accept..regarding PCR, most of it are abused by the SC's.. i have seen many families who were affected because of this act, when the dalit worker has to pay any debt or loan back to the farmer.. Mr. Eagle,YOu are writing like a typical academecian.. You are sensationalising and blowing up the issue..We can also write comments like you.. see it below..The pain of havenots unable to survive in the societyThe cornering of resources by the riches and discriminating the poor.The pain of being exploited by the urban elites for the paltry sum..The pain of slum dwellers, whose area of living is looted by the urbanites.The pain of hunger, because there is no money to live in..The pain of disease, unable to pay heft doctor fees, The pain of the rural people, who were exploited to the core by the urban elites.The urban sewages being diverted to rural areas, spoiling their livelyhood, their environment..I can list out so on and on and on..The very life of an urbanite discriminates the rural people..It is the urbanites who are using slumdwellers to clean their toilets, and clean their septic tanks..You cannot find those in rural villages..In rural villages, the dalits had a means to live, even without a single penny..In rural villages, eventhough untouchability existed, the higher caste always helped them in times of difficulty.. it is between kangayam and muthur at valliarachal village.i really appreciate the informations furnished abt kong vellala community and i wish you every success in your endeavour.tks and regardsvelumani.muthusamy gounder. In the TN election history except Congress, DMK and AIADMK no other party has won 50 seats In the current TN politics certain things are simply impossible Whether KNMP leadrship realises it or not ..you dont waste your time dreaming on that .Take care.Eagle. Following this, the Centre would ask the comments of Registrar General of India (RGI). It should be reformed so that it is not used for personal vengeance..Apart from reservation and pcr acts there are other things which has to be attended in kongu area..Can you list the development schemes undertaken by the government for the past 40 years in the kongu region.. Does veerakodi vellalar belongs to obc? So try to get away from this proposal. community is a Scheduled Caste) 114 121 Pannayar (including Kathikarar in Kanniyakumari district) 115 122 Pannirandam Chettiar or Uthama Chettiar 116 Kurumba Gounder, Padaithalai Gounder Chendalai Gounder, Pavalankatti Vellala Gounder, Pala Vellala Gounder, Sanku Vellala Gounder and Rathinagiri Gounder 12011/68/93-BCC(C ) dt 10.09.93 . Star : Visakam. This caused a Vettuvar population explosion in the early 9th century and created a complex social structure, with the chieftains of the Vettuvars calling themselves Koundar. However, the government's position has been that inclusion or classification of castes in any list is solely the work of the Backward Classes Commission. [9] The Vellalars of Kongu region came to be known as Kongu Vellalar or Gounder, though both the names have also been treated separately in some regions. On the day of the wedding, the groom is shaven, and a karumaikkarari pours water on his head. http://www.dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Semmozhi+News&artid=262562&SectionID=208&MainSectionID=208&SEO&Title=%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D Palani Anda Nadu Kongan venman (talk) 13:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC), Tamil-Brahmi Rock Bed Inscription, mr sivakumar nowhere in the election manifesto knmp has sought the removal of pcr.. But it need not be same in today's democratic world. Think and make india proud. While these "heroic" traditions faded in the rest of the plains region due to the rise of agrarian states, the Kongu region and other remote buffer zones kept it alive until the 11th century CE. jathikal illayadi paapa he himself do not want the kids' mind to be polluted by people like u who upholds jathi n gothram. [40][41] In the 12th century CE, saint Sekkilan Mahadevadigal Ramadeva sang the glories of these Nayanmars in his magnum opus, the Periyapuranam. Join FREE! /** I did say that the Dalits face more problem from OBC/BC's rather than Brahmins. Excellent show of strength in the 2009 elections. Mahendra-Medara: 83. When they return, they are touched by an arumaikkarar with a betel leaf dipped on oil, milk and water. Religion / Caste. However, a public hearing is not mandatory. -, This page was last edited on 3 December 2020, at 16:10. The sixty Sub- castes are generally called Kuttam/Kootam, or Kulam or Gottiram. Most of the representatives were Gounders, what have they done? Currently i am watching the live telecost from karumathampatti. Government aid is provided for those who have more than 2 or more children. Don't be only Gounder-centric. do you call slum dwellers as solace?Btw, its known to everyone, that rural villages had limited opportunities, due to urban centric government policies.. its your biased view that you see this as dalit oppression..The real freedom for a man is the freedom to live with his family, with his child, and to have a living space.. Looking to create a Kongu stronghold The link by Hindu Site states that Kongu were Forward Caste. Try to avoid outside hyperlinks inside the comment. Nobody is prepared to accept the facts. CHENNAI: Redesignationof the seven SCs into Devendrakula Vellalars would undergo lengthy process involving the State, Centre, National Commission for SC/ST and Register General of India. Profession. Etymology. The list of kulam available in this website itself. Identification. Vellalar is a generic Tamil term used primarily to refer to various castes who traditionally pursued agriculture as a profession in the Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala and northeastern parts of Sri Lanka. Marabalan had various titles such as Gangavamsa, Devar, Vellalar, Bupaalan, etc. For reprint rights: Times Syndication Service. The Kongu Vellalars are called Meezhi thuvasar because of their ploughshare flag. I would further point out that old texts, such as those by Thurston and Iyengar, are both highly unreliable and controversial. The party is not caste based. Kongu Matrimony Kongu Vellala Gounder Matrimonial portal. To protect himself. The same cannot be said of Untouchability. When you close your mind, there can be no discussions.. you can accuse me of anything, and you will always take the moral authority and start advicing me..Good and bad things are highly relative.. in the world of rapists and murderers, a petty thief would be the most good person..In the world of saints and wise people, the same thief will be the most bad person..SO, judge history based on world occurances..I have already pointed you about american slave system there.. the slaves dont have any protection, and the owner buy and sell them at their wishes.. the slave women were sexually exploited at will..Such brutality did not happen in india, because, untouchability provided a psychological barrier b/w communities.. this prevented dominant communities from exploiting weaker ones,..Also, indian history of polity is always consensus based.. take down any village panchayat.. it will show you that the judge themselves has to give judgement before the people.. Not like the current ones..In our historic tradition, the people had always the right to oppose.. if people find a king as unjust, they instantly moved to nearby one who provides justice..So, come out of the well and see the world in full perspective..To actually know more about our history, read dharampal's books at the following url..www.dharampal.netParticularly download the book "The beautiful tree" and read it.. /** I assume you work in Bangalore/Chennai but your native is Erode/Kovai. I am disappointed, that instead of discussing history, politics is discussed.Mr. and respected by all other castes. siva. Despite the party performing rather well in Erode, Pollachi and Tiruppur, the community leaders did enough ground work to ensure the victory of Gounders who had contested on MDMK and AIADMK tickets. [don't say that only gounders are kongu! Register Free. "D6 Z-V"_RK@*@ UJZ/T"nHh(b>73sB Nx%Di-,*>I3"c'OeHNHND8m1%D=VENwD R^RxI7p"zYH|3OZe9$Ek7OXPOdE{v f/ 6g#h?* ^-bKMw k"m[ro\D$|yU$&#uu]uqQu\04h F$^kI)vyG7;J"c[6u6(OT1'@(q78e*B}%-Ff704]BW%S=h(!dbgvn8l~=9C#I9=?aaaaaa7urMbaa9AGEQd%+F6PES XrBxh($h"%C&SJBIM4hvJ{tS/h/ > =Oi&,h?40% P:A ^@4Bhta42x(:R(z!C/"osKJP!4ZAx8]Lht"] The Commission may also consider holding public hearings before arriving at a conclusion on the recommendation. With this base we have to build our party. One theory derives it from the Tamil word Kaamindan, meaning "noble protector of the country", later modified as Kavundan or Gounder. ?yentha idam?..naanum pollachi thaan. Whether he is affected personally by the castism. HAI!!!!!!!!!!!! I strongly object the comments of Mr. Star. As late as 1930-1940's the Nairs of Kerala used to exploited their women workers by asking them to work topless .3. Poll observers feel the KNMK had purposefully fielded a weak candidate, R Natarajan, in Karur to help shift their votes to AIADMKs M Thambidurai, a Gounder by caste. , . Thuluva Vellala, Archakari Vellala, Isaivellalar, Kongu Vellalar (about 15 gounder castes), Sozhia Vellalar (four sub castes), Virakodi Vellala, Podikara Vellalar, Nangudi Vellalar and Kuga Vellalar. How KVs are taking care of their dependent other caste people. - Sitush (talk) 13:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC), http://www.tamilartsacademy.com/journals/volume8/articles/article7.xml, http://www.tamilartsacademy.com/journals/volume8/articles/article5.xml, http://www.ulakaththamizh.org/JOTSpdf/006001010.pdf, http://www.viduthalai.periyar.org.in/20100717/snews12.html, http://www.dinamani.com/edition/story.aspx?&SectionName=Semmozhi+News&artid=262562&SectionID=208&MainSectionID=208&SEO&Title=%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D, http://www.tnarch.gov.in/images/epi-ins/tamil-brahmi/pic7.gif, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Kongu_Vellalar_Kootams&oldid=992116651, This redirect does not require a rating on the project's, foreign language sources are only usually acceptable on Wikipedia with a translation. Profile Created for Sister. We will continue this. These shifting farmer-cattleherd villages were called pattis after the cow pens. Why you are so wild against this community, you being part of it. The changes such as inclusion, exclusion and modification in the names of castes listed under SC/ST can only be carried out with approval of the State. Although we should respect our caste, we should be united under one Umbrella, that is 'Mother Tamil'. Antai; 4. Kongu Vellala Gounders were classified as a Forward Caste at the time of Indian independence but they successfully requested to be reclassified as a Backward Class in 1975. It is our only identity.Long live Great Tamil.**/Prabha.. May be your Thirupur candidate also .the total of other constituency might be around one to two lakh - so a max of six lakhs is the vote you got ..spread over 12 constituencies ..You cant go beyond ward or panchayat level with this vote *bank* .You said during nomination itself Best got a crowd of 50,000 ??? However, eventually this period of ethnogenesis would end in the creation of a hierarchical structure with Kongu Vellalars at the top. And Brahmins though outwardly not vociferous in showing casteist tendencies, do practice soft-racism in workplace, temples and religious institutions.Eagle. and trying to justify the casteism. (his professional): Epigraphical Assistant, Archaeological Survey of India, South Zone, Madras Her father, an Ay chief called Chathan Murugan is described as a Vennir Vellala that is a Vellala by birth,[26] in the Huzur plates of king Karunandakkan, the predecessor of Vikramaditya Varaguna. Today the world will know about our stregth. You cant come out of the caste mindset even within your party. They helped promote and stabilize Shaivism during the Chola era and many of the cult's leaders were drawn from the ranks of the Vellalar. actually, wat i commented was d facts.. try 2 accept it & pls don't comment others if you cannot digest it. [11], Today, the Gounders have presided over Kongu Nadu's transition from an agricultural to industrial economy. Our community 'Arasial Eluchi Manadu' was not done unitedly, i think. In kongu belt, at every harvest season, a share of the produce will be shared to all sections of the villages.. It seems these terms are used as synonyms. Coimbatore Kongu Vellala Gounder Matrimony - Search lakhs of Kongu Vellala Gounder Brides and Grooms on CoimbatoreMatrimony, the most trusted matrimonial website to find someone who cares for what you love! Dear Kongu Tamil Indians,it is a good showing by kongu parties in the elections. If you think you are superior in one place in other place you are inferior.Education doesn't seem to make any difference in eradicating the social menace. The Gounders have been credited by many as unique among the other caste groups of the region and southern India as a whole. The first fixed settlements in Kongu history were at the Amaravati -Noyil valley because of the perennial supply of water from the Palani Koadaikkanal and Vellingiri ranges. The caste title, Vellalar, refers to people who performed agriculture as profession traditionally. GOOD WORK. Kulaiayan; 15. Most of them are third-generation businessmen and put together, they generate roughly Rs 40,000 crore of export revenue annually. Any one of Villi kulathar can initiate and i will extend my fullest support to them. i m belongs to veliyam kooam. The views expressed in comments published on newindianexpress.com are those of the comment writers alone. [48][8] Local Sri Lankan literature, such as the Kailiyai Malai, an account on Kalinga Magha, narrates the migration of Vellala Nattar chiefs from the Coromandel Coast to Sri Lanka. But in the Nilgris you have ditched your candidate because he is an SC. after winning the elections with congress votes, he is asking for ministerial berths to his family members only expose such a party among people!Dear Eagle, be sensible.. there is no need to mock at anybody. 8/98/SCSTDD Dated. Eagle.. dont think, you know everything and others are fools..I am a software engg, and i strongly support my caste..CAste is the strength of Hinduism, and India.. 7.Best ramasamy-Best groups: "Best" S. Ramasamy is a politician and entrepreneur from the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. when you call yourself as gounder, you are connecting with a 5000 year old history, that dates back to IVC..Pls refer to the mangala vaazthu, where kambar calls us "Ganga kula" people.. which means, the people of origins of ganga..and if you want more details, compare the culture of the present day farmers of UP, and you will see lot of cultural similarities, including facial..If not convinced, try to get mckinsey documents, and read it..When you call yourself as Tamilian, you are connecting with a racist group, which used tamil for their personal and divisive agenda.. you are isolating yourself, and becoming a racist.. tamil nadu is a concept that only occured recently..Tamil has strong association with other indic languages and mainly sanskrit.. For example, what is the tamil word for "Katha"? By power hungry zealots. If they have to obey the others, why didn't they tell earlier? There is soft-racism by Brahmins.My original grouse against KVG's is - though they are one of the advanced communities in terms of social standing, business, education and agriculture - why do they want to ride on the caste bandwagon - and their top two demands - repealing/amendment of PCR act and exclusive reservation of KVG'S is uncalled for .If you ask me who am I to question this ..well .Good Luck And I have heard about Dharmpals books but not read them EagleAnd. Most initially identified with their clan names and their chiefs with the Gounder title, but eventually coalesced into a single group called Kongu Vellalar Gounder. If RGI dos no support the State governments recommendation, that will also be rejected by the Union Ministry. This comment has been removed by the author. .u can stop ur nonsense comments about kongu candidates. deposit ponalam paravala we dont care we real kongu gounders are going to vote for kongu only.if u dont vote or support kongu we dont care. But i am afraid the dirty politicians play their role cunningly and split it like Vivasayihal Sangam. my e-mail id : velsel07@gmail.com.Coimbatore, India. Welcome to kongu vellalar gounders official website, the farming community widely known as Kongu vellalars (or) Vellala Gounders in the ancient Kongu region which is now the north-western districts of Tamilnadu. Let us give a wide publicity among our Kongu Lions and their families. This is the last chance for us to show our stregth and make the changes. [http://www.ulakaththamizh.org/JOTSpdf/006001010.pdf, and also check [3]: . On Untouchability - Untouchability is a crime. The Vellala are a major agricultural caste who live in Tamil Nadu, a state of southern India.They speak Tamil and are Hindu. When, RGI, State government and SC/ST Commission have approved the recommendation, the proposal would be sent to Cabinet for amending relevant sections in the legislation. watch out for MLA election also in most of the constituency there are even 90 percent gounders living.it seems atleast 15 seats is going to be won by knmp with ease.already dmk is positioned third.watch out for religion party mmk spliting dmk votes and making way for knmp candidate to win in pollachi and in coimbatore. - lr (USA), Good work. The stone is said to represent the Kongu king and the worship is a symbolic request for permission of the marriage, as in the old days the king was supposed to give permission for every marriage. Disclaimer : We respect your thoughts and views! In 2009 it launched its own political party, the Kongunadu Munnetra Kazhagam[1] (also referred to as the Kongunadu Munnetra Peravai). If someone progress in our community, our community people only try to pull him down and this is common in our community. nammaal mudiyathathu ethuvum illai.. nammai vendravarkalum yaarum illai. [60][61] The Vellalar nobles had marriage alliances with Chola royal families. If I sit with only my kulam and kottam then i develop not even my kulam and kottam because we have so many divisions in our kulam and kottam where we fight with our own brothers and sisters. Vellalar is a generic Tamil term used primarily to refer to various castes who traditionally pursued agriculture as a profession in the Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala and northeastern parts of Sri Lanka. View Full Profile. The most recent reports of RGI and the State government would be referred to the National Commission for SC/ST, along with the comments, as well as any relevant material, documents and other representations given by the community members. According to the Bill, the category of MBC(V) will include the Vanniyar, Vanniya, Vannia Gounder, Gounder or Kander, Padayachi, Palli and Agnikula Kshatriya sub-castes that come . Who are Gounders in Tamil Nadu? About Us | Privacy Policy | But they are pure tamilians. Wait n watch vote for kongu..we love kongu..love gounder caste.what ever u say gounder is gounder..nee yennamo sollitu poo.we dont care..GOUNDER GOUNDER GOUNDER.BORN AS GOUNDER ..DIE AS GOUNDER..LOVE GOUNDER CASTE..1 vote vaanginalum sari..100 vote vaanginalam sari..goundan goundan thaan. It would be better if a general fund of KVK is started, under which the poor & rural KVK's get the education, thus making their life blossoming. [24] The Ay Vels were one such Velir group that ruled the territory in and around Venad during the Sangam period. This is the point when we see the Vettuva-Vellala war symbolised by the Chinnanan- Periyannan story. All are talking that all castes are equal in the earth. Best, Easwaran, Erode Balasubramaniam got about One Lakh votes each. Believe me I've seen the Gounders behaviour in the region of Salem,Namakkal,Erode and Dharmapuri belts ..Their attitude towards the Dalits is one of the worst I've seen among the upper caste Hindus .There will be denials .You can even say that you cannot generalise .But that is the harsh truth .If they do real introspection, if they really want to change and do something different let the GOOD ONES among the Gounders change the behaviours of the fellow Gounders that itself will be a bigger service to the society Kongu region doesnt need a KNMP to improve itself .it can take care of its own .Eagle, i am porulur poosan,i proved to kongu vellala gounder,i am very proved of our history ,please realese as book i am software eng,i am form the kongu vellar gounder community,and iam from kongu nadu ,my kottam is poosan,my kulladeyvam is mangaiamman porulur,in dindigul district in ottanchatram taulk,we were in palani. Please don't try to justify historical blunders. Mr. Eagle,If you really want to debate, you can avoid personal attacks against me.. it doesnt matter, if i am crooked or insane or whatever you call me..The topic which we debate matters here..If you are wise enough to have such refined debate, i can continue further.. Eagle,/** Untouchability is one of the besetting crimes of the Hinduism and EVR's role in eradicating the same is indisputable Read history to understand that **/Untouchability is not a crime, and the EVR did not have any role in eradicating it.. the very reason is because, untouchability is mutually practiced by all castes..I challenge you.. you can go to any of the SC communities, and enquire if they would mix with another Dalit community.. they will not even drink water..Untouchability is one of the arrangement, where conflicting cultures had a way to live together without disturbing each other.Infact, untouchability remained as a protective barrier to the dalit community.. That's why we did not have any genocide, and we did not have any slavery or the kind of slave abuses as happened in america..I request you to first read original history and then comment.. NOt the distorted one, which you study in school text books and DK magazines. Kongu Vellala Gounder/Thazhinji **/Please try to quote with substantiation.. 08/12/2011 . Best in pollachi..huge crowd in pollachi even without advertisement about 35,000 people attend the meeting for candidate annuoncement.with out any proper announment of the meeting.DMK has fielded an dummy candidate for pollachi.no word still about admk candidate..good chance for best winning in pollachi..most of the dmk,admk has changed to knmp..in some villages there is no dmk and admk,every one has changed to knmp ( as almost all villages around pollachi has 99 percent gounders only).no matter whethere we get deposit or not..all votes polled now will reflect our party in state election.goundan vote goundanukku thaanadmk,,dmk gounder candidates r not calssifed as gounders.. Kongu Vellala Gounder an ancient division of Tamilakam comprising Coimbatore, Erode, Salem and ancient Mysore region. Mother Tongue. i wish kongu nadu in feature it should be in the tamil politic and national politics.we need to have our kongu nadu people stateral minister,for not only benifit for our community and also for the whole benifit of kongu nadu region i.e western tamil nadu ,people from other community also vote for the devolpment for kongu nadu ,even without our goverment full help we are all kongu nadu people come this far(2/3 economy to tamil nadu from region)even with help goverment , so we the people can reach great height &more more prosporus life vote for KNMP .if they come we can attain full devolpment in this region(i.e front runner in well devolped region in india,in that time we were example to others(rest of india even for world)in devolpment )we can we will in the state election to win atleast 50 assembly seatswe can we willuse this base vote (i.e6.5 lacs)make more people aware of the party in our regionstart kongu tv to make awarenessif we had shown feb 15 meeting in tv we had win atleast 4-5 seatsmake awareness avilable to all people as quick as possible before state election ,we need change our defect to massive win in state election so everbody need to work hard take to more peoplewe were baby in the mp election,we need show our kongu region strenthWE CAN WE WILL, Kavi,You are young, you are a software professional, you live in the Internet era where even national boundaries are meaningless - why do you want spend time on caste based politics ??
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